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What problem are you referring to?

Congressional corruption or inept voters?

You guys shouldn't be bringing TARP/stimulus money into this conversation.

It has virtually nothing to do with health care, is a glaring sign of this administration's incompetence with any form of monetary policy, and frankly, most of the comments here have been nothing more than liberal stereotyping of Wall Street.

In most cases, i.e. Goldman Sachs, BoA, JP Morgan, the Fed FORCED this money down the throats of these companies in order to gain some form of control and now charge interest. Let's also not forget the government pinning Merril onto BoA which was a horrible deal from the beginning; no bank would of bought that firm if it were not forced to. These were wonderfully structured companies, the Fed just saw an opportunity to make some cash in a quasi-legal way.

If Goldman ACTUALLY needed a cash infusion and was ACTUALLY going to fail...well...the recession we were in would have been a lot scarier than it was, and no form of cash stimulus would ever prop it up.

I don't really what care what Cameron Diaz or Oprah have to do with it, but I'm sure you will enlighten me, and ignore the rest of my post which is that we have come full circle and every thing you say below seems to argue in favor of a point I made about a month ago in this thread:
that the system we currently have where poor people are forced to go to emergency rooms for health care is more expensive than asking the federal government to expand the preventative medicine programs it already has for veterans and senators.

Are you saying that either the Senate or House plans (which have never been reconciled to single plan) are less expensive?

Would you favor plans like Mass. where the states do it rather than the Fed?

What I favor is not going to happen, so there's no sense talking about it.
It's hard to say whether the almost completely flawed plans going through the legislature now would be more or less expensive than what we have. If they end up being a stepping stone to eventually fixing the problems, then yes, they would be cheaper.
But, if whatever watered down thing that passes serves as a big "Mission Accomplished" banner that Obama stands under claiming the war on health care is over and we can all just shut up now and put out heads back in the sand, then I think it will end up being more expensive in the long run.
I don't know enough to make a good prediction which way things will go, but I think the stock price of health insurance companies is a good indicator.

That's the funniest thing I've read in this entire thread.

We've actually followed things closely to see how it will impact our plan, being self-insured. From what I understand the plans in congress would benefit the insurance companies, but with very high government overhead.

Your suggestion has some merit, if it could be done without all the added overhead, perhaps at the state level to enroll, who knows.

I didn't really read anything but........ I'm gonna comment anyway.

A typical voter.

You're right. Only the people who voted Bush in twice deserve to vote. They knew what is best for this country.

Since most of your posts are filled with


I don't really know but.....

I don't have an answer but....

It's everyone else's fault

I haven't been here long enough to understand...

I think it is quite clear where your loyalties lie.

I look forward to the day we get rid of Jimmy Carter jr and get back to actually enjoying life again.

I am definitely left leaning and I am not trying to hide it.

I post to mainly to learn other points of view. I am not here to prove myself as king s* of the political arena. I share my thoughts and take in the thoughts of others.

I greatly thank you for your input on the health care for my own personal situation. It may seem like a no brainer to most people who grew up here but to someone that is relatively new it would seem that if your company is providing insurance for you it would be a better deal than trying to hunt it down on your own. At least it did to me.

The prior administration's time may be been an enjoyable time for you but I am not looking forward to enjoying that life again.

Which part did you enjoy most? The expansion of Government? Expansion of national debt?

Heh Barack is doing a great job of keeping that going.

Some would argue that it is necessary to keep the economy going. Opinions differ on this.
Odd that Fox News only started to care about this recently.

God your just a spokeshole for the DNC.

Exactly how many hours have you spent watching fox? Is your opinion based on the competitors you're watching or in this case do you actually have your own opinion?

I have tried to watch Fox on several occasions. Do you honestly believe they are "fair and balanced"? I mainly watch CNN and listen to NPR. IMO, they are the most reliable news sources. I watch the Daily Show and Colbert Report which are comedy shows that tend to make fun of news networks. Fox seems to be a common target but they make fun of them all. It is more for entertainment but it is funny to see the crazy rantings of Glenn Beck from time to time. MSNBC has a left slant which they are pretty open about. Fox News claims to be independant but IMO is obviously right slanted. Shall I quote you some references for Fox News' right wing bias?

There is nothing wrong with that. Rupert Murdoch saw what he believed to be a left wing bias in the media so he created Fox news. No problem. Just don't try blowing smoke up our asses claiming to be independant.